19th Century

19th Century, Blue and White

Blue and White Query

Name: Linda
   
Message: I have recently purchased a very old dish, that I think may be ironstone, and bears only a very faint impression on the back. Can you help identify it from the attached please?
 

At first glance it appears to be similar to the Davenport Marks such as this http://www.thepotteries.org/mark/d/davenport2.jpg  but the style and quality of the ceramics doesn’t gel.

I have tried enhancing the details of the mark, but it is not very clear – it could be an Omega symbol

But I think it is more likely that the mark is a letter G – in which case it is not a factory mark at all, but a size / pattern mark.

As this is clearly a ceramic piece made from a mould and the mark is raised, so was incised or stamped into the mould before the liquid ceramic clay was poured in – this is the most likely explanation.

Sadly, that doesn’t help with identifying the maker – but, the lack of other marks does help with the dating. I would put it as early nineteenth century – it isn’t ironstone as the paste is too soft. The dark colour and the simplicity of the design is interesting. Although the manner of the application of the transfer suggests that it did not come from one of the major manufacturers.


18th Century, 19th Century, Coalport, England, Staffordshire

Coalport

Modern pieces of Coalport are clearly marked. What is less well known is that the Factory also used marks that imitated other factories, particularly in the early 19th Century. Coalport also absorbed other factories and incorporated their marks in its own – including the crescent moon used on Salopian ware by Caughley and the S and N of Swansea and Natgarw

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19th Century, France, Rich Colours

Lerosey – Rue de la Paix

Paris Porcelain – Numerous porceleain manufacturers and decorating studios flourished in Paris from the mid eighteenth century until nearly the end of the nineteenth. Competition was tough and the decorating quality was very high, so it was not unusual for the bases of the porcelain to have considerable detail  – right down to the address from which more could be purchased!

frenchmark

This example is by M Lerosey who founded this porcelain decorating studio at 11 Rue de la Paix around 1880. Dating between 1880 and 1890, this mark not only shows his name, but also his address at 11 Rue de la Paix. Several Rue de la Paix manufacturers have been identified – Lerosey, himself had several studios along the road – going back over 60 years to around 1820 when he worked with J Rihouet. As one of the earliest studios in the road this one is actually simply known as Rue de la Paix – Lerosey’s earlier mark only differs from the 11 Rue de la Paix example by the number – 7 Rue de la Paix. The following two pictures give an idea of the overall quality of the pieces produced by Lerosey.

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For interest – another studio along the road was 18 Rue de la Paix,  founded in 1818 by Ferdinand Brunin – who signed his work Ferdind Brunin, rue de la Paix no. 18

19th Century, 20th Century, Blue and White, Denmark

Dating Royal Copenhagen

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Royal Copenhagen has used the three wavy water lines to identify their porcelain since it started in 1775 – Early pieces frequently include a dot in front of the waves. The mark was not very consistently drawn, often with quite flat waves that look quite rushed- presumably each workman had their own slight variant until about 1820.

Hand drawn lines usually indicate manufacture before 1885. The example to the left is pre 1840.

Between 1885 and 1890 the lines are more uniform – either done with a three nib pen or as a print.

From 1889 a circle was added over the lines – inside which was a crown between the curved words Royal Copenhagen.

From c. 1890, export ware featured a small crown over tiny waves over the word Denmark (spelled in English) in a circle over three larger waves. The circle was dropped from non export marks.

Between 1894 and 1897 a variation of the export mark was used  without the circle and the tiny waves, however these are easy to spot as this is the only period in which DANMARK, the Danish word for Denmark, was used.

In 1897 until 1922 the words Royal Copenhagen replaced the circle. Separated with two dots (one each side of the word Royal) the words sit above the three wavy lines.

1923 had two variant marks  – one an ornate crown over waves with no text, the other the crown that was used in the post 1923 mark, but over the word Denmark, over the waves.

The printed mark in the bottom picture has been in use with subtle variations since 1923 the principle difference between this and the pre 1923 mark is the combination of  the factory name and the country of origin – again spelled in the English way as Denmark.  All Royal Copenhagen marks that include text are printed in capitals in a non-serif font.

Dating indicators were first added to the Royal Copenhagen mark in 1935. There were two types  – Lines were used underglaze and dots used overglaze, they are quite distinctive and easy to see.

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Look for a line under or over the letters  (note from 1985 the line covers two letters).

Line over the top of the letter – ROYAL COPENHAGEN –   R = 1935, O=1936, Y=1937 etc through to N=1949

Line under the letter – ROYAL DENMARK COPENHA – R=1950, O=1951 Y= 1952 etc through to A=1967

From 1968 to 1974 the mark stayed under the G

From 1975 until 1979 the line moved to the E

From 1980 until 1984 the line moved to the N

From 1985 to 1991 the mark covers both the and the O

From 1992 to 1999 the mark covers the and the A

From 2000 to 2004 the mark covers the A and the L

Overglaze Dot

As before look for a Dot above or below the letters – to make life complicated the years run from the end of the word to the front and the words are repeated… so…

Dot under the letter – KRAMNED –   K=1935, R=1936, A=1937 through to D=1941

Dot over the letter – KRAMNED –   K=1942, R=1943, A=1944 through to D=1948

Dot under the letter – NEGAHNEPOC –   N=1949, E=1950, G=1951 through to C=1958

Dot over the letter – NEGAHNEPOC –   N=1959, E=1960, G=1961 through to C=1968

Dot over the letter – ROYAL –   L=1969 to 1973, A=1974 to 1978, Y=1979 to 1983, O=1984 – 1988, R=1993

So the modern sugar bowl in the picture dates from between 1969 and 1973.

NB There is a separate code for the crown and Denmark mark (that excludes the factory name) which will be covered in another article.

16th Century, 17th Century, 18th Century, 19th Century, Blue and White, China

Chinese Reign Marks

Collecting old chinese pottery and porcelain is not as expensive as some might have you believe. For example in Spain there is a love of Blue and White that spans generations and cultures. You can find pieces in most places that you look and many will be chinese. However, whilst very old and splendid pieces might horribly expensive, small pieces can still be bought with a limited budget – if you have the enthusiasm to look.

The two rules to remember are

1) Having a mark on the bottom, like the reign marks in the picture for this article,  does not mean that it really dates from that period.

2) Having no mark at all does not mean that it is valueless, just that the piece did not need to be stamped to sell – so was probably not intended for export.

So what does the reign mark on Chinese porcelain mean?

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Yes it can mean that the piece is of the period. As you get more familiar with handling pieces (which you can do in antique fairs and shops – where they will be dated for you) you will find that there are other indicators, texture, technique, composition, colour and style that help to date each piece.

In most instances where you see a reign mark outside a museum though, it is because Chinese potters and the porcelain Studios adopted the styles of earlier generations and, if they felt the piece passed muster, would honour the memory of past masters by dedicating their piece to that period. It wasn’t originally done with the intent to defraud (tho’ it is now). It was done to say that the pot, vase, bowl, teaset was an homage to earlier artisans and the creator was proud to stand his work next to pieces of that period. A ‘don’t go old, go bold’ gauntlet to traditionalists. So many marks indicating a period before 1722 will be “apocryphal”.

Halfway through the reign of the Emperor K’ang Hsi (various spellings) he declared an abhorance of the idea that anything not intended for his and palace use should bear his mark. So it was banned with serious life threatening punishments for any infringement. Only royal porcelain was permitted to use the mark. So, after he died, everyone did it – therefore most marked K’ang Hsi pieces aren’t from the period unless they date from the beginning of his reign. Yung Cheng pieces tend to be genuine and although the post 1795 period was prolific in using older marks (including Ch’ien Lung to appeal to Western Markets), anything carrying a post 1795 reign mark is generally what it says it is – ‘Made in China’ pieces are post 1891 – and Republic – post revolution.

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